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Skipping the Corbyn/Roussef speeches this morning; I need the time to get ready for the debate blocks...
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ok back into Zoom again… #DSACon21
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Voting to limit debate due to how behind schedule we are
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so yup motion to limit debate passes
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Sometimes these closed captions can be fun… “Megan swap it out”
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Now considering: NPC4-R4, which there’s a motion to indefinitely postpone on…
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NPC4-R4 is a recommendation on Chapter Affiliation Agreements
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I’m so lost re: this debate
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Was torn on this vote because on the 1 hand I don’t want to reward people making useless time-suck procedural motions, but OTOH I did actually want to indefinitely postpone, so…
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Motion to indefinitely postpone fails; back to NPC4-R4 on its substance…
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I could be playing video games now, if it weren’t for this convention… actually maybe I’ll try multitasking…
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FINALLY done with NPC4-R4; onto NPC5-R5, on grievance policy updates
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I think I might need to fall back asleep; didn’t get enough sleep last night…
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…did I just hear that we’re done with NPC recommendations? Phew!
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Now being discussed: CB4, on candidate membership for the NPC
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lol someone just used the term “bikeshedding”
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oh wait this is actually CB3, not CB4
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onto CB6, which would create a national organizing committee
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my chapter seems to be pretty strongly against this, so I guess I’ll join them in voting no…
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…although maybe the amendments to it improve it?
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ok so I guess it’s yes on the amendments, and then wait to see how those results turn out before deciding how to vote on CB6 as a whole…
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Amendments to CB6 pass, now considering it as amended…
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yeah there’s a good point about there not being enough people to fill this proposed new committee
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CB6 fails; break time now
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ok back from break; onto CB7, to make sure STV is always used as the election method for leadership elections
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I like STV, but there’s some decent arguments about local control to be made against this change… Arrow’s Theorem shows how there’s no perfect RCV-counting method, so I can get how some chapters might want to choose different methods…
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yeah sorry to the questioner who asked for this to be explained in simpler terms; unfortunately it is in fact pretty complicated… there are multiple college-level semesters worth of info here that one can spend studying…
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motion to divide fails… if it had succeeded, I could have had an easier decision by just splitting my vote and giving a “yes” to one and a “no” to the other, but now I have to actually decide… oh well, let’s just go with “yes”.
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CB7 vote is over; onto considering the DSA Platform as a whole
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Of course, there are amendments to it: first is Platform Amendment 2, on Green New Deal amendment text.
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Next: Platform Amendment 1, on internationalism
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good point about Rojava; that convinced me to vote “no” on this amendment
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next: Platform Amendment 6, on amending the Economic Justice plank
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Public Banking was brought up in one of the summits I was at the previous week, too; it’s good, so that has me feeling supportive of this amendment
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Time for debate on the platform as a whole now; we won’t be voting on it until later, though…
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oh wait I guess we might be voting on it now after all?
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ok I’m voting yes on the platform as a whole
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onto general resolutions again… considering R5, on labor power, now. I’m leaning to support this.
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unsure about this amendment to R5, though…
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ok some good points have been made against this amendment to R5; I’m leaning to oppose it (the amendment) now (I still support R5 overall either way though)
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Amendment 2 to R5 fails; good.
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R5 passes on acclamation; yay!
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Next up is R8, “Towards a Mass Party in the United States”
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Yeah, I’m opposing this; Dems could use some improvements, sure, but I don’t think we need an entirely new party to replace them.
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…except this person speaking against it is ALSO being anti-Dems? Which way do I vote to be pro-Dems?
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I guess, even if someone else is voting “no” for the opposite reason as me (i.e., they think it doesn’t go far enough, while I think it goes too far), the default position it falls back to if it fails wouldn’t necessarily be theirs, it’d just be the status quo, so I’m still “no”.
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ok so after reading the actual resolution text, it doesn’t seem too bad after all, as it’d still allow me to run as a Dem; the two amendments would take that away, though, so I oppose them.
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so I guess this means how I vote on this resolution will depend on whether the amendments pass or not, now.
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ok back from break now
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I disagree with this speaker who said the Democratic Party can’t be reformed
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Bernie Sanders won MY state’s Dem primary twice, so you can’t say Dems here are opposed to him.
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Vote NO on R8A5. #DSACon2021
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OK good R8A5 failed; I still have a chance for voting for the resolution as a whole, then (only if R8A6 fails as well)
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Vote NO on R8A6. #DSACon2021
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ok good R8A6 fails, too, I guess that means I can vote YES on R8 as a whole, after all, since both of the amendments failed.
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taking another break now
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Returning for the NPC elections now… I found the candidate info compendium too overwhelming and haven’t managed to read it; I might just abstain from this part if I still can’t decide after this hour.
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First up is Karra Hall, who was removed from the ballot previously, but we voted to put back on the ballot
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Kara Hall seems fine; if this were an approval ballot, she’d go in my “approve” column
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Next is Sofia Guimarães Cutler of Newark, NJ and the Bread & Roses caucus.
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These speeches are kinda quick; I won’t really have much time to say much about the candidates besides their names and where they’re from.
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oh hey Jose Alejandro de La Luz, I think I heard of him from the Bernie campaign
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next is Austin Gonzalez of Virginia
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oh this guy is a pro-Venezuela guy; I’m not ranking him
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Next is Jen McKinney of Eugene, Oregon
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ok I have no objections to her; so far my ballot is: 1. JAdLL 2. Kara Hall 3. Jen McKinney
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Now speaking is Laura Gabby; she has a pretty good story of her union work that she’s giving now.
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wait you can rank people as tied with one another? She just said to rank Sofia ahead of her?
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Oh, Sofia already spoke and I forgot to rank her… oops.
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Kevin Richardson speaking now
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Next is Gilma Bagga of Louisville, KY and the Bread & Roses caucus
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he seems fine; I’ll rank him
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now speaking is Joshua Rusinov, also of North New Jersey like someone else was…
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oh hey @kksteffany is running; I recognize her
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ok she gets my number 2 slot
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Now speaking is Maikiko James; I think she spoke in a previous debate block, too…
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ok she seems fine; I’ll rank her
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Matt Miller of Boston is speaking now; he’s uncaucused. I might just rank him highly out of New England bias.
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Now speaking is Desiree Joy Frias, running as an independent candidate.
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she gets points for mentioning working on disability stuff
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now speaking is Sabrina Chan of Chicago, running on the Socialist Majority slate
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Socialist Majority slate candidates seem good in general
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now speaking is Jennifer Bolen… and she’s done already
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Now speaking is Justin Charles, who has been chairing previous sessions. He’s done a good job so far; I’m fine with him.
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Now speaking is Sydney Ghazarian, whose focus is ecosocialism and Green New Deal stuff.
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Now speaking: Gustavo Gordillo of New York, running on the Green New Deal slate.
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Now speaking: Ashik Siddique
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Now speaking: Aaron Warner
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OK time to actually make the decisions now
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This is how my ballot is looking so far; I generally liked the @DSASocMaj candidates. I’ll give it until this section closes at 10 before submitting. #DSACon2021
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oops I meant until 9, not until 10 there… anyways, I’ve submitted now… one day left! I’ll do a new thread tomorrow.